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Masi Oka in the HEROES episode "Godsend"
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Exclusive Interview: HEROES CREATOR TIM KRING ON SWORDS, DEATH, DINOSAURS, & YES, EVEN TOYS
Plus more HEROES tips and hints than you can handle before the show returns Monday night with "Godsend"
By SEAN ELLIOTT, Senior Editor
Published 1/19/2007
HEROES has become THE break-out new show of this year. It’s a genre show airing on a major network -- NBC -- and pretty much everyone is talking about it around the water cooler the day after a new episode airs. The mid-season jump on point starts next Monday January 22nd and there will be no special gigantic re-cap for new viewers, just the usual brief re-cap at the top of the episode. But now that they’ve saved the cheerleader, did the Heroes save the world? Series creator Tim Kring is confident that the show will still be well received and so is NBC, since they’ve already picked it up for a full second season order (that's 22 episodes to you and me). Once again, Kring chatted with iF MAGAZINE now during the middle of this phenomenon’s first season about what to expect for the rest of the ride, and yes even a toy line for the collectors out there. iF MAGAZINE: What is the break down in terms of episodes for the rest of the first season? TIM KRING: There’s a seven-episode block, then we have five weeks off, and then we come back for five more. iF: NBC has already picked up HEROES for season 2 as well? KRING: We were officially picked up for season two. Which is very rare for a show this early in it’s run. iF: When we talked before, you said you had storylines for season 2 mapped out, so how far ahead are you now? KRING: We have storylines for season two, but I’d be lying if I didn’t say that things change so quickly when you’re telling this kind of story that things have to evolve in an organic way. You try to get two characters together and you find the actors have no chemistry or the actors are unavailable, so you’re a fool if you lock yourself into set ideas too solidly. We also want to allow the show to tell us where it wants to go naturally. There is a tendency in this kind of storytelling to eat up story very quickly, so when you think something is going to be revealed in episode twenty you instead get to it in episode seventeen. Especially the kind of storytelling we’re doing where s**t happens. We’re focusing obviously on season one, and we’re at the end of the season now in terms of breaking the story and it is naturally leading into two in a natural organic way. We’re putting cards on board and it’s been very gratifying to see that it is still spinning for us. iF: Is it liberating in the writing process to have several characters to play with instead of one single character? KRING: Ultimately, what I thought was going to be the most frustrating component has turned out to be its salvation. I thought it was going to kill us, because frankly the pilot was a very, very difficult thing to construct both on the page and in the editing room. Everyday we had a different cut, and it was a very challenging pilot to put together. I thought this was going to be the bane of my existence, trying to figure out how to cut between these stories and wondering if people would remember what’s going on if you come back twenty minutes later. The truth is, you drop immediately back into these scenes without any problem whatsoever. I think part of that is because the characters are so delineated from one another and the tones of the stories are so delineated from one another that you are never confused. The guy that can read minds never gets mixed up with the guy that can teleport. It’s also that the characters are real archetypes. They are big block characters. There’s a cheerleader, and a cop, and a dreamer, and I think it’s why the show was successful. It didn’t take a long time to get to know who these people were, like a lot of serialized television. I watched the new shows with serialized casts, and I couldn’t really tell anyone apart. It was seeing that she was a little skinnier than that girl, and he’s better looking than the other guy but I didn’t have any handles to grab onto. iF: What sort of fan response are you getting now in mid-season? iF: When the first season DVD set is released are we going to be able to see all of the different footage not used in the various versions of the pilot? iF: I have never seen the 72 minute pilot, the version I saw was slightly different with Santiago Cabrera’s character cutting off his hand and the Petrelli brothers’ flight sequence at the end was a bit different. In the version I saw Nathan doesn’t drop Peter. iF: Are you ever going to address paradoxes and alternate time-lines in the “time travel” realm? You’ve only seen one so far, but you will notice a pattern with the show of what we call “departure episodes”. In other words, we pop off of the serialized story like we did with “Six Months Ago” and we’re going to do it in episode seventeen and again in episode twenty. These episodes are designed rather than to go linearly, to go vertically. So rather than having an experience of width you have an experience of depth; you know more and it enriches the show. They’re really a blast to do. iF: And we will be seeing Hiro battle a dinosaur? iF: Have you had pow-wows with show creators like Joss Whedon, where you guys sit and discuss working in genre based serialized television? iF: Were you expecting the reaction to Horn Rimmed Glasses that you have gotten? iF: The actors on the panel were joking about living in a climate of fear of dying on the show. How true is that? The killing of Eden, by her own hand was a noble death. She was actually a much more interesting character as a bad guy instead of as a good guy. Then just when you liked her it was "oop now she’s dead." [Laughs] Again, it’s all part of the idea of giving the unexpected. It’s a very difficult thing to deliver because people expect everything. How many real genuine moments can you count on, and yet we have managed to deliver many of them. iF: My favorite of those so far was Claire on the autopsy table. iF: Will there be toys for this series? It seems like a tailor made fit.
KRING: The number one question that I get now whenever anyone comes up to talk to me is what’s going to happen with this, and where is this going. The truth is they don’t want to know. They tell you they do, but they would be very disappointed if they knew exactly where it was going. People like being on a collective thrill-ride and you can’t be on that ride if you are ahead of everyone.
KRING: Yes all of those scenes are going to be included absolutely. As you know, we cut a 72-minute version of the pilot and we will be including that on the DVD as well, which will be very different.
KRING: Right. We actually went back and re-shot that scene. That was the only scene we re-shot from the pilot and we were able to spend a little more time with it and do it on a green-screen.
KRING: It makes your head spin the writers’ room, and we spend a lot of time thinking about it. We actually have an episode that we haven’t shot it yet, but it’s going to blow people’s minds and it's going to be the most talked about episode of the year and that’s going to be episode twenty. [Laughs] I mean, hopefully episode twenty will be the most talked about episode, but so far episode twenty feels like the one everyone is going to be talking about. This one deals specifically with the idea of time travel and it blows the doors off of a lot of what were doing with the show.
KRING: Yes. That’s coming up very quickly. Again, we’re trying to cleverly pay of things, and hopefully have solutions that you didn’t see coming. The writers all got an exact replica of his sword and it becomes a very big thing in the next story arc.
KRING: I haven’t yet. I don’t know whether I would be invited to that dinner party. [Laughs]
KRING: I love actors that are willing to go to extremes, like Jack Coleman is one of the best actors on the planet and he is so great at being this delicious bad guy. Kids by the way that I’ve talked to, are really flipped out by that character. I think it’s because again of the archetypes that we deal with on the show. I think it’s an archetype that kids are afraid that their parents aren’t who they say they are, and it really gets to kids.
KRING: I certainly don’t want to foster that. The truth is that this show needs to be able to kill off characters once in awhile. I think I talked to every single one of them very early on that, that was going to be the nature of the show. I also didn’t know I was going to become attached to them personally, and that I was going to become attached to their work. Sometimes, the greater good would be served by thinning the herd or killing off a character that people loved. It has to be a world where no one is safe. Syler would cease to be a bad guy and nothing bad could befall these people.
KRING: If you liked that, wait until you see episode thirteen. [Laughs]
KRING: Oh yeah. There will be toys. We are all over it. The people that I work with are fanatical toy guys who are making sure they are state of the art toys. Our brand is for the fans that will notice the difference between schlock and quality.
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Reader Comments
AL ROCKER from INDIANA sez....
maaaan TRUTH doesn't know wat the hell is he talking about, but its cool some haterz alwayz gonna be around, hahaha this little dude talking about art he doesn't even know what that word means
7/29/2007 1:23:47 PM
Jimmy from St. Louis sez....
The artist did not steal from anything. In fact, he's one of my favorite comic book artists- Tim Sale. Quit trying to create hype with false rumors. This guy's known for Daredevil, Spider-Man, Hulk, Batman, and Superman.
5/4/2007 12:56:12 PM
Jason from NYC sez....
Well, he was right about Episode 20 blowing people's minds...
5/2/2007 9:10:33 PM
DJ7 from Pennsylvania sez....
I dont think I've ever loved a show so much. Maybe in the 90's with WCW and the NWO, but now with toys comin? I'm on it!
3/6/2007 7:34:26 AM
CitCat from Dallas sez....
People are inspired by real life events every day. Seeing something and thinking it would make an interesting story doesn't make it any less good of a story. Even if the twins WERE his inspiration I'd say he's certainly gone way beyond the scope and depth of their story. Get a life.
2/27/2007 4:30:43 PM
TRUTH from L.A. sez....
TIM KRING IS A THIEF AND THAT FACT WILL COME OUT VERY SOON.
THE ARTIST THAT CAN PAINT THE FUTURE IS BASED ON A UNDERGROUND ARTIST NAMED EELE. EELE'S STORY AND ART WAS FIRST PUBLISHED IN THE NYDAILY NEWS AUG 5, 2004 WRITTEN BY LLOYD GROVE, NOW A WRITER AT VANITY FAIR MAGAZINE.THERE ARE MANY IN THE NY ART WORLD THAT KNOW THIS. HOPEFULLY EELE WILL COME FORWARD SOON AND SHARE MORE OF THIS STORY WITH THE PUBLIC. THIS STORY IS GOING TO ROCK THE MEDIA AND HOLLYWOOD.
THE BUZZ ON THIS STORY IS GROWING, THIS ONE WILL SLAM TIM'S BOSS JEFF ZUCKER ACROSS THE WORLD MEDIA. HEROES IS BEING TOUTED AS " THE SAVIOR OF NBC", JUST THINK.... A STOLEN WORK IS THE SAVIOR OF NBC. WHAT A SAD JOKE.
2/14/2007 7:26:10 PM
Kyle from Oregon sez....
This is THE best in my opinion, NBC show I have ever seen. Claire is my favorite character and I love to watch the show mainly to see her part in the story. I am psyched to get the DVD set when it is released, and although im not one of those wacky action figure colecters, I will be defenetally be picking up one of Claire for sure.
2/12/2007 8:01:12 PM
mike from dallas,tx sez....
I hope any DVD release will include lots of cool extras. I.E. Comicon footage, interview footage.
2/3/2007 8:23:21 PM
Jackass from America sez....
Christopher C from Australia, Tasmania,
They can't release the fucking DVD if the show hasn't finished yet. Damn, some people are dumb.
2/3/2007 7:46:03 PM
Christopher C from Australia, Tasmania sez....
Excellent TV series. Please release the DVDs ASAP!! :)
2/3/2007 12:25:07 AM
Irene from Australia sez....
Amazing show. I totally love it. All those unique and wonderful characters. Keep up the good work. I want to see lots and lots more. Thank you!!! Wouldn´t it be great to meet the writters of such a great show one day?
2/2/2007 2:16:31 PM
scott from south wales sez....
This is possible the best series iv ever watched i hate having to wait for the next episode, i like how you have created something that you leave us always needing more!
1/31/2007 8:55:07 AM
sallasie from seattle, wa. sez....
this show is a blessing, the writers do a great job sending messages that allow u 2 think unlike the rest of these shows on television. A cross between X-files and the Twilght Zone!
1/23/2007 11:41:07 PM
Jay from Australia sez....
AWESOME. i just watched the new episode and i just can't get enough of what NBC is giving. The Office and Heroes just make my whole year. Can't wait to own a little Hiro Nakamura + Andy as well haha
1/23/2007 9:59:52 AM
Gary from Florida sez....
Great show, and I love to hear about this. I can't wait for the DVD set, and I can guarantee I'll have every toy they release!
-gary
1/21/2007 2:35:32 PM
Jeffers from San Jose sez....
Excellent interview!
This show ROCKS and is one of the best in a long time!
Thanks for bring us something cool in TV Mr. Kring!
Please keep thos writers happy...so far they have done some FABULOUS work! wOOt!!
:)
1/21/2007 12:01:03 PM
Gjskier from Kansas sez....
I love this show. Glad to hear about toys being made... and "state of the art" too... hopefully this means either McFarlane or NECA.
1/20/2007 10:28:44 PM



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